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Customer Service is NOT a competition or part of the game

Last post 09-08-2008, 1:38 PM by XiinGothica?. 10 replies.
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  •  09-08-2008, 3:15 AM 1613806

    Customer Service is NOT a competition or part of the game

    If the "rules" to MapleStory's customer service is in the "Terms of Service" (ToS) and forum rules, the word "service" needs to be re-evaluated. ToS is null and void as a contract. For instance, it is not legal to hold the consumer responsible for remitting taxes (check out the ruling for Lands End catalog sales in states outside Wisconsin). Unlike Maplestory NX cards from Target, music cards are taxed as they are used by the music suppliers. For another instance, either all characters should be banned for their name, or any character can be arbitrarily banned without consdiring what's fair. ToS states both that your character name cannot be non-sense (l33t or random numbers), and it cannot be a name OR phrase. I challenge you to post anything that meets that condition. Paradox in the ToS is endless, too innumerable to list here. But customer service ultimately becomes one-sided, where the original service (the game) and the remedial service (tickets and forums) are beyond reproach. Since service becomes wholly oriented toward players that might cheat, players that do no cheat either receive no service, or are treated as cheaters unfairly. It's like the domineering police officer who pulled me over in a quiet small town in a well-lit public area because one headlight went out. He was either conditioned to be a jerk, or became an officer to express his natural tendencies, but he was bullying, snide, and had a major chip on his shoulder. I didn't ask if he moonlighted in customer service for a certain gaming company.

    If you are playing MapleStory NX-free, you can't complain if customer service abuses (I mean, "services") you, except perhaps for the betrayal and the many long hours of enjoyment that are suddenly soured.

    If you or your parents pay real money, the legal standards are different. A groundswell is less likely for surfacing real issues and root causes if a company relies on players' competitive spirit and the need for "privacy," as well as outdated instrumentation of their software. Some attempt to throw a threatening dog a bone of distraction. For instance, while a purchase may be legally non-refundable, a company is still held to the contract to DELIVER the service you have purchased. In MapleStory, when high-levels complained that 2X drops were failing for many weeks, (and SW heavyweights couldn't profit from z runs), a promise was made to add MaplePoints for those that purchased 2X. Now I personally maintain 2X drops and experience (at least $31 a month) continuously for training each of my accounts, and have not seen a single MaplePoint. Clearly there is no method of correlating the purchase of products with the use of the software. If MaplePoints were only given to those filing tickets, even though thousands were affected, someone got off cheap, and it wasn't the customer. The Guild Hack "event" exposed the same apparent inability to provide proactive and responsive customer service. I personally don't see why a list of guild members wouldn't exist on server backups, to allow systematic outreach to the guild leaders and members that were affected. That worries me, because it gives the appearance of little forensic evidence, or little effort in terms of service.

    Maplestory is not managed as a software product by customer service. Best-practice software customer service focuses on identifying and remedying defects in the product. For MapleStory, tickets are summarily closed (often not closely read, based on the responses I've seen). A standard in software support desk training is to insure the problem is clear (which might require some back and forth), and the customer accepts the resolution. On the contrary, if you dare file a follow-up ticket on an issue you feel has not been resolved to your satisfaction, it can be deemed a "duplicate," which is apparently considered a major nuisance, and can result in all your tickets being removed and your account being permanently banned. If that's service, I'm a flying gorilla.

    Further, is there a real interest in identifying and limiting deliberate hacking, scamming, and harassment. MapleStory gives you the opportunity to report another user for an abuse (and claims you'll never know if they took action so as to protect all players' privacy). But if the abuser admits more in the chat log, you cannot report for about 5 minutes. From there, you must stay on the same map as the abuser to right-click and report them. If you can't move fast enough for that, you can no longer include a screen-shot as evidence of an abuse with a MapleStory ticket. An further still, if you stay on a map with an abuser for any length of time, you risk being incriminated as participating in their abuse. All this discourages effective user-policing of "their" game.

    Conversely, MapleStory relies blindly on buggy GameGaurd autoban software that bans more legitimate users than true hackers. For example, the no damage "glitch" is a bug in MapleStory software that GameGuard can detect. (How "no damage" can be detected to reliably yet cannot be fixed is another mystery.) Legitimate players never intentionally continue to play if they "see that they don't see" damage. Yet autoban's monitor blindly decides what a player sees and doesn't see, no matter how cluttered the map, and decides the player's intention as well. ILLEGITIMATE player don't leverage the MapleStory software bug that GameGuard's autoban detects. True hackers hack under 1 damage because they can easily figure out what triggers the autoban. I've seen them prance through to loot my drops too many times, often extorting the players on the map. Therefore, one can conclude that the autoban for no damage ONLY affects legitimate players 99% of the time.

    In software customer service, it's very bad practice to purposely LIMIT the evidence on an issues for fear you'll be assisting the customer's defense. Open communication is vital to get to the root of persistent problems. Most software publishes a list of specific bugs (usage notes). For MapleStory, that would include the actions that are known "glitches" that need to be avoided. When you accidentally cross the invisible lines drawn by autoban, the customer service response remains very general. You won't be told what evidence the autoban detected, and for those that play long, hard, and legitimately, they are left to walk on eggshells once the ban is lifted, not knowing what time, what map, what glitch, what monster, what skill, or what party member might have triggered their ban. In fact, you'll be told that specific details of your own actions are "proprietary." There is nothing proprietary about calculating the change in levels for each player and sorting to identify the top 1000 fastest levelers (it seems a reason for a reward, as in fact it WAS in Yellonde's opening).

    Regardless, a basic legal right is to be able to face and question your accuser. As a computer professional, I personally don't want any accusation of hacking to stand on my record undefended, because it amounts to defamation of my character. To provide support for a hacking ban would first require the software collect such details, and would second require that customer service eventually see that the autoban software actually has defects in it's design and implementation. Did someone spend too much money or take too much pride in this bad idea to simply turn it off?

    My least favorite thing about playing MapleStory is the arrogance and obvious bullying inflicted upon players in the name of "service." Consider the unabashed threat of "dire consequences" for those "abusing" the Bigfoot "glitch." Again notice no clear definition of "glitch" was published. Players were left to assume the use of poison, ice demon, shadow web, or doom on a "boss" was an accident--just as had happened on the initial release of Headless Horseman. But when the "fix" came out, none of those were changed, the Bigfoot "boss" was not made a true boss, and instead the experience for this 35 million HP adversary was reduced to nil. Bigfoot has been reduced to a nuisance for the majority of players that would like to play on all the new maps of Masteria. To pretend that the "glitch" was actually Bigfoot's experience is an absurd backpeddling spin on an obvious mistake. More "service" was then pursued to "remediate" the "glitch," by banning anyone that leveled "too quickly" during the several days it took for some group in a conference room to figure out they didn't learn from HH, and the software developer that once knew how to configure a boss took a better job. How unfair to anyone that may have killed one Bigfoot for a toe, but leveled quickly using other hertofore legitimate means. Being unable to actually go out and "catch" people taking advantage of Bigfoot, they then decide that a heretofore legitimate part of the design of the game (leveling a character in a party through leeching experience from other party members' kills) is now illegitimate, because they could not discriminate between those leveling off Bigfoot, and those leveling on other kills. It remains a mystery why a course of actions that COULD affect one or more innocent players was pursued when it was clear only a handful of those guilty players poisoning Bigfoot "before and after" the warning could be irrefutably identified. I'm glad this extreme notion of deterence in lieu of service isn't followed when juries are instructed on capital crimes.

    From here, I realize can't begin to detail all the ways customer service competes against customers, and the MapleStory service, not the product, has gone awry. Anyone who has never been abused by customer service, or had a trustworthy friend abused, is either very lucky or very new/sheltered. In a guild of 80 and alliance of 250 over the last year, with many people I know in real life, I know of one legitimate abuse (which merited expulsion but no ban by the game), compared to at least 25 (and growing) cases of long-time legitimate players banned for 3, 9, 30, 90 days, and permanently.

    I would become the number one fan of a game service that turned these abysmal service trends around, and recommend the game, even with the old bugs and the few abusive players, to my other adult friends. For now, every computer professional I tell about MapleStory practices does a real life F6, and I only keep playing in hopes of seeing a transformation.


    **This member has been suspended for inciting inappropriate assumptions.**
  •  09-08-2008, 3:47 AM 1613826 in reply to 1613806

    Re: Customer Service is NOT a competition or part of the game

    Bravo!! on a well thought out post. It is good to hear an industry professional sound off on the lack of service. I knew I couldnt be the only one that saw this as sub par. I see a lot of constructive criticism, I wonder if someone will actually read it and maybe even take some action. As a fellow adult player I am glad that we have other intelligent people in our community. I tell my friends about maple too , but i warn them about the same issues youve called attention to and suggest that they have alternate characters and accounts to offset the lack of fairness in Nexon's policies. It sure would be nice to be able to brag on my favorite game without using disclaimers.......f3(where are the nexon cheerleaders can they not come up with an intelligent response???? f6)
    hime - means princess ... snicker
  •  09-08-2008, 6:56 AM 1613987 in reply to 1613826

    Re: Customer Service is NOT a competition or part of the game

    There is nothing to say other then to agree with this post.

    Most would say I'm a nexon "cheerleader" as you put it. Really I'm not, You should of seen most of my post in the Kart rider forum, they primarily consited of complaining about the lasck of customor support.

    I just look at things from a reality stand point as opposed to the " omg I gotz banned, i didz nuttin nexon wtf????? omgomgomg gimme me muh acountz bakz" 

    Really, who would listen to nonsense like that?  Which is the mentality of 7/8's of the posters here.




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  •  09-08-2008, 7:23 AM 1614023 in reply to 1613987

    Re: Customer Service is NOT a competition or part of the game

    wow........ when i saw your first posting appear on the forums this morning i thought for sure you would flame this thread and mine(you do have a bit of a cheerleader history and were actually one of the people i was referring to im sorry for that). Thanks for proving me wrong bobbort f2
    hime - means princess ... snicker
  •  09-08-2008, 7:52 AM 1614051 in reply to 1613806

    Re: Customer Service is NOT a competition or part of the game

    Very well written and comprehensive. I live in a household with 4 active, adult players. None of us were banned, I suppose we are not active enough to draw notice. I would love to see Nexon work to improve their customer service, it is quite disheartening to send in a ticket and receive an automated reply or no reply at all. Unfortunately, as long as Nexon is able to meet its business goals, nothing will change.  



  •  09-08-2008, 8:10 AM 1614069 in reply to 1614051

    Re: Customer Service is NOT a competition or part of the game

    Very nice post.

    I would dearly love to count myself as a fan of Nexon, because I love Maplestory so much! Unfortunately their customer service and communication with their players is...words fail me, it's that bad.

    Hime, I'm sure you'll read this thread, here's best advice I can give you to take to your bosses:

    Go and read the Magicthegathering.com sites. Magic the Gathering has the most customer support and communication I've ever seen from any company, not just the gaming industry. They give weekly reports on news of the game and their behind the scenes development. This includes changes they are making and things thay had to fix because of their own errors. It doesn't give them a bad rep, it helps the community to trust them more! The lead designer has a yearly State of the Game article as well as his own weekly column with inside info. Do they share everyting with us, no of course not. Do they keep in contact with their players so we know what the heck they are doing to make things better, and fix things that went wrong yes they do, on almost a daily basis!

    I almost forgot, I know Nexon works with Wizards of the Coast and Hasbro (creators of MTG). There is no reason Nexon can't take a page from their Customer Service playbook!


  •  09-08-2008, 10:16 AM 1614231 in reply to 1614023

    Re: Customer Service is NOT a competition or part of the game

    forillah:
    wow........ when i saw your first posting appear on the forums this morning i thought for sure you would flame this thread and mine(you do have a bit of a cheerleader history and were actually one of the people i was referring to im sorry for that). Thanks for proving me wrong bobbort f2

     

     

    I think the post your referring to  would be the person who got banned for cursing in front of a GM?

    I have no sympathy for people like that, In my opinion he deserves to be ridiculed. There's many children that play this game that dont need to see that type of stuff.




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    I like bobbort's pumpkin hair. :O
  •  09-08-2008, 12:08 PM 1614428 in reply to 1614051

    Re: Customer Service is NOT a competition or part of the game

    Actualy it wasn't very wel written grammar and spellign wise, but the composition was perfect for the slander it incited.

    I don't really agree with it. By the way my main characters name is Knocturne and it's not nonsense a name or a phrase.




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  •  09-08-2008, 12:54 PM 1614541 in reply to 1614231

    Re: Customer Service is NOT a competition or part of the game

    bobbort:

    forillah:
    wow........ when i saw your first posting appear on the forums this morning i thought for sure you would flame this thread and mine(you do have a bit of a cheerleader history and were actually one of the people i was referring to im sorry for that). Thanks for proving me wrong bobbort f2

     

     

    I think the post your referring to  would be the person who got banned for cursing in front of a GM?

    I have no sympathy for people like that, In my opinion he deserves to be ridiculed. There's many children that play this game that dont need to see that type of stuff.

    im not sure which thread you posted in first today but my statement "you do have a bit of a cheerleader history" was based on experience in threads from other days.

    But the biggest Nexon cheerleader has given his two cents worth now and im not even sure he read it before he clicked post and that makes me feel good. Just so you know knocturne, fact is rarely successfully countered even in argument with opinion, and you really shouldnt be questioning other peoples spelling and grammar.


    hime - means princess ... snicker
  •  09-08-2008, 1:05 PM 1614578 in reply to 1614541

    Re: Customer Service is NOT a competition or part of the game

    I cant see anything the originator of this thread said here that was ban-worthy or "incited" any "assumptions" inappropriate or otherwise.  I only see the moderator confirming his claims by retaliating against him. Not very professional i must say.

     


    hime - means princess ... snicker
  •  09-08-2008, 1:38 PM 1614688 in reply to 1613806

    Re: Customer Service is NOT a competition or part of the game

    **This member has been suspended for inciting inappropriate assumptions.**

    ^ so your saying he got suspended for speaking his very logical and well fabricated opinion.


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